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Re: LoL (League of Legends) From the makers of DotA allstars...
« Reply #1710 on: July 10, 2012, 03:51:04 AM »
Also...what kind of horrible horrible parents would name their own son Jayce? Jason, Jay, Jake, all those would have been fine. But Jayce?
What kind of parents name their son Jax, Jarvan, Garen or Kassadin
(yes, kassadin counts because he used to be human)

Well Jax and Garen sounds pretty normal to me...even if Jax sounds like an asshole's name. Kassadin sounds like a white person's attempt to make up an arabian sounding name.

 Jarvan...doesn't seem that strange, it's one of those silly sounding royalty name. Like Rapunzel.


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Re: LoL (League of Legends) From the makers of DotA allstars...
« Reply #1711 on: July 10, 2012, 09:06:09 AM »
Jarvan...doesn't seem that strange, it's one of those silly sounding royalty name. Like Rapunzel.
Rapunzel got her name from the salad her mother wanted to eat so badly, dunno how that sounds like royalty...

edit: I just noticed something....Haunting Guise isn't bad on Orianna. Turns out 45 spell penetration is quite significant.
Don't think it's a good item for Orianna. I mean, it's not a good item at all, but there's a few early game burst casters like Annie that can sometimes make use of it.
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« Reply #1712 on: July 10, 2012, 10:18:49 AM »
 I've actually been paying close attention to how much damage I did with and without it throughout different. Surprisingly enough, Haunting Guise's usefulness actually lasts quite a long time.

Eventually I'll have to sell it of course, but I rarely get so late into the game that I do need to sell it.


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« Reply #1713 on: July 12, 2012, 12:06:19 PM »
Generally armor/magic pen will help against low armor/magic resist enemies more, than high armor/magic resist enemies.

+55 magic pen with a reduced 20 magic resist to surrounding enemies. (marks, quints, guise, abyssal scepter, and sorcerer shoes)


Having those stats and using a 100 damage spell to attack an enemy with 50 MR, they would take 120 damage instead of 67.
Having those stats and using a 100 damage spell to attack an enemy with 100 MR, they would take 80 damage instead of 50.
Having those stats and using a 100 damage spell to attack an enemy with 150 MR, they would take 57 damage instead of 40.
Having those stats and using a 100 damage spell to attack an enemy with 200 MR, they would take 44 damage instead of 33.

To make the wall of text less wall like
I am breaking this up a bit.
So, at 50 MR one would do 79% more damage.
At 100 MR, it would be 60% more damage.
At 150 MR, it would be at 42% more damage.
At 200 MR, it would be at 33% more damage.

Lets compare it to how much AP you can get with how much gold needed to build that.
About 286 AP instead of 95 AP with the pens, for the same amount of gold. (around 5.2k)
And if your skill has a .3 AP ratio it would be giving you...would add 57% more damage than your base spell damage. And since most enemies spells have a better ratio than .3, once they break 100 MR you should invest in AP. (though it might last a bit longer on the gold efficiency scale if I didn't include the abyssal scepter)

And now for spell pen %. You can get 50% with masteries + void staff.

Having those stats and using a 100 damage spell to attack an enemy with 50 MR, they would take 80 damage instead of 67.
Having those stats and using a 100 damage spell to attack an enemy with 100 MR, they would take 67 damage instead of 50.
Having those stats and using a 100 damage spell to attack an enemy with 150 MR, they would take 57 damage instead of 40.
Having those stats and using a 100 damage spell to attack an enemy with 200 MR, they would take 50 damage instead of 33.

Giving that % magic pen only starts to do better than flat magic pen when opponents are over 150MR.


Lets do the same AP thing here.
19% more damage at 50 MR.
34% more damage at 100 MR.
42% more damage at 150 MR.
51% more damage at 200 MR.


About 104 AP to 74 AP, with a massive 1.0 AP ratio that would add 30% more damage to your base spell damage. (the gold value was around 2.2k)

Looking at the numbers I posted, it appears that magic pen is the most efficient damage boost for the same amount of gold by 150MR. But giving the other utility you get off of the flat magic pen it is like comparing apples to oranges when considering gold costs.

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« Reply #1714 on: July 13, 2012, 09:39:58 PM »
Well Jax and Garen sounds pretty normal to me...even if Jax sounds like an asshole's name.
If played well, indeed. ^D

Kassadin sounds like a white person's attempt to make up an arabian sounding name.
Might as well be an Arabian name.
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« Reply #1715 on: July 14, 2012, 12:10:03 AM »
^^ Well that explains why it felt effective for so long into the game.


If played well, indeed. ^D



 God that makes Jax look just like a Darius.

It still bugs me how Jax has both amazing burst and sustained DPS at the same time.



 Anyways, LOTS of new mega changes next patch. Such a Orianna buffs, Malphite nerfs, Xin Zhao rework and a sexy plant champion. Since I tend to like plant based powers, I'll definitely screw around with her when she's free.

 I'll be honest though. Sneak Peak Zyra>>>>>>actual splash art of Zyra.  In fact, her actual splash art kinda sucks. :disappoint:
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« Reply #1716 on: July 14, 2012, 01:01:36 AM »
Of course the splash art is worse than the sneak peak
She has a lot more leaves in the splash art  ^D

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« Reply #1717 on: July 14, 2012, 08:57:30 AM »
Of course the splash art is worse than the sneak peak
She has a lot more leaves in the splash art  ^D
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« Reply #1718 on: July 18, 2012, 05:27:29 AM »
hmmm...rather than Zyra, I'm more interested in Xin Zhao's rework. He's a spear user, and I have a thing for spear-users(why else am I even bothering with Hecarim?). Do you think he'd make a good hybrid? His new healing ability appears to scale pretty well with AP.


 Speaking of Hecarim, for the benefit of anyone who ever decides to play Hecarim, having played him this long, I have come to the conclusion that the 4 crucial items to finally get past his sucky early game is...

MercTreads/Ninja Tabi + Brutalizer + Sheen + Glacial Shroud


 Once you have those 4 items, you finally become a good champion. Add in an MR item if the enemy is heavy on AP. All 4 of those items are far too crucial to not have on him. He may be a bruiser, but his early game is crap. Trinity Force is nothing more than a luxury item. Do get it since you should upgrade your Sheen eventually. But get it late.



edit: Twitch remake............................. ..they super-nerfed the two abilities that made him good, Ambush and his Ultimate.  :datface:

edit2: HOLY SHIT Xin Zhao is awesome. Guinsoo's Rageblade works wonders on him....he's definitely getting massive nerfs.
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« Reply #1719 on: August 05, 2012, 09:58:17 PM »
NECROMANCY HO! :wth:
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« Reply #1720 on: August 05, 2012, 10:07:14 PM »
Exams over, so I'm all in for all the games I can fit into my HD. That is, sadly, a low amount, but still satisfying.
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« Reply #1721 on: August 05, 2012, 11:02:31 PM »
 You know, seeing how she's only 450 IP, and how I've been looking for possible ranged bruisers to solo top with, Kayle is pretty freakin sweet.

...why do people say she is UP again? I understand that her ranged attack uncontrollably pushes the lane, and that she's basically a ranged champion that needs to pay mana to have a ranged attack temporarily. But then again, she's a ranged champion with a heal/MS buff and a slow that amplifies her damage.......okay, she's also horrendously bland as far as appearance and skins go too, I guess that would turn people away. She's a female, but no cleavagage, legs, hair, or any skin showing?


 Gotta do something about her mana and cooldowns though. Wonder if I should give her my Hecarim build. Youmu+FH just for the CDR and all the other benefits.
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Re: LoL (League of Legends) From the makers of DotA allstars...
« Reply #1722 on: August 05, 2012, 11:23:30 PM »
Kayle has been used to great effect even by top players and in tournaments. Just build her like a typical AD carry and you'll have a lategame with two strong ranged carries. Max her q first though, that's where you get most of your early damage from.

She's a very strong counter to some typical top characters, but needs a team around her that knows how she works.

Edit: And Battleborn Kayle is one of the coolest skins there is, imo.
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« Reply #1723 on: August 06, 2012, 01:25:48 PM »
Yeah, Kayle is pretty strong and one of the few chars that scales very well into late game from top.
Also, her ulti is quite good. 4 seconds in team fights is superawesome sauce. It's game changing.

Just go typical AD carry build, seems to be best for her imo.
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« Reply #1724 on: August 06, 2012, 01:28:43 PM »
I hear Zyra's considered pretty strong because of her high damage output and utility.